Posts by The 12 Apostates

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

So if I said that Africans are monolithically lazy or Pakistanis are monolithically misogynist or Japanese are monolithically arrogant that would be racist. But you can say Brits are monolithically hypocritical and as long as you add that it is a result of 'our long cultural history' that's not racist.
Maybe you could write down the rules for me. It's so complicated. It's almost as if you can make any negative sweeping generalisation about about white westerners and that's okay. But never make a negative observation about any other people.
Which brings us back to the OP does it not?

Second option then. Got it. Thanks.

You can generalise all you like about any culture. As I did. I never said that was racist. The only thing I said was racist was calling for a white-majority nation.

It's almost as if you can make any negative sweeping generalisation about about white westerners and that's okay. But never make a negative observation about any other people.

The next time you put words in my mouth, I'm done.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

Me and the Sentinelese are Homo sapiens ... you have to treat us the same.

You are also Homo Sapiens with very different lives in very different parts of the world. With very different priorities.

we can iron out a few wrinkles but humans will always be tribalist. We've fought racism and xenophobia hard but we're still tribalist. Look at Spurs v Arsenal fans or United v City fans.

We should iron out those wrinkles as best we can. I'm not saying we can end tribalism, but we can do our best to keep it from controlling our actions and we can certainly stop venerating it. Football tribalism is very low-level, but even that leads to problems.

this is true but like tribalism it can be controlled, with wrinkles ironed out.
Migration isn't a force of nature that we just have to accept.

I agree, and have never disagreed. But I do think we need to accept that the change of skin tone distribution across the earth isn't an issue.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

It's a failure of EU liberal elites to recognise the reality of human nature that led them to force mass immigration on western societies. The solution is NOT to demand that we get used to it. That is to store up trouble for the future. It is a form of utopian thinking that led Stalin to try to create the 'New Soviet Man' and Mao to do similar.

Yes, argue against something I didn't say. When have I mentioned the EU or called for increased immigration? I agree with what you just wrote for heaven's sake.

We need to get used to change, whatever it is, because things will change.

We need to deal with what's in our sphere of influence, as individuals and as a nation.

We can influence some change, but not all of it.

We need to temper immigration, but not stop it.

And we need to stop caring what colour people are.

Now either: Argue against those points because they are points.

Or: post an out of context sentence from a post I made in response to some throwaway remark, to make it look like my point is something else, and claim victory.

Up to you.

191

Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

'The Brits aren't a true monolith, but we are monolithically hypocritical.' = Racism

Sorry, I assumed your facile remark was meant to be taken as such. Since you've requoted it, I'll assume you want me to take it seriously.

I can't sorry. I'll simply add a qualifying 'for the most part' to it. It isn't because of our race that we are this way though, it's because of our long cultural history of self-veneration. A nation can't help be hypocritical when a nation has been building up its sense of greatness for so long, I suppose.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

That's what the Sentinelese have been doing.

I never said they were racist though.

Do you approve of the Sentinelese's tribalism?
Do you approve of my tribalism?

Your tribalism can only be equated with their's to certain degree. They have a lot less information on the incoming visitors than we do. They have more to be scared of, due to their ignorance. Please drop the Paxman-esque gotcha questions, they achieve nothing. You're not here to win, you're here to converse.

Tribalism is written into our DNA. Nobody can cleanse us from it.

No but we can recognise the issues it's causing in the modern world and attempt to do something about it. Moreover, migration also appears to be written into our DNA at this point.

NO NOT LITERALLY COFTY, NO NEED TO PLUG YOUR EVOLUTION THREADS.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

Maybe you could calm down on the ad hominem?

You are a victim

See, two can play at the pathetic quoting game.

Also, one doesn't have to be a hardcore moral absolutism to dislike post-modernism. Post-modernism isn't just moral relativism.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

Oh for god's sake. I was referring to one simple point. Brits hold themselves up as tolerant, but for the most part aren't tolerant. Whereas openly intolerant people who come to Britain make no such claim. I was calling them anything but noble, quite the opposite. You're just misunderstanding everything I say.

You've resorted to gotcha moments yourself. You're trying to win rather than reason. I'm not going to stoop to that low level.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

Yes, call someone a victim, label them post-modern, leave thread. Nicely done.

I'm not a victim. And I hate post-modernism. Maybe you'll stick around long enough to read that.

Suffice to say, it's beneath you to target me rather than what I'm saying.

191

Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

And if I, a white UK citizen, attacked an immigrant regardless of the immigrant's colour, I wouldn't be racist. According to you.

That might be the worst attempt at a gotcha moment I've ever witnessed. My answer is no, it wouldn't necessarily be racist, it would depend on your motive for attacking them.

So, the Sentinelese aren't racist; they're tribalist.
Is it wrong for the Sentinelese to be tribalist, in your opinion?
Is it wrong for me to be tribalist?

Right and wrong aren't useful terms.

It's not doing the world any favours. War ultimately stems from tribalism, let's not forget. Historical wars over resources stemmed from a tribe's belief that their tribe was more entitled to those resources than the neighbouring tribe, etc. Nothing is truly gained from tribalism. If you think your tribe has better ideas than other tribes, then surely it would be better to invite other tribes in so that they can learn of your ideas. It's idealistic, but without ideals, what do we have to strive for.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

The 12 Apostates

I fundamentally disagree.

I used to be on your side on this, but I've re-examined British values over the years and I've come to the conclusion that our values are nothing more than paper. I've mentioned pluralism, but it's not really a British value because most people in Britain hate the idea of living with people who don't agree with them. We don't stand by our values and for that reason I don't think we can complain if others start migrating in who don't share them. They're just less hypocritical than us. The Brits aren't a true monolith, but we are monolithically hypocritical.

During the second world war, during the blitz, when people's houses were bombed out, one of the biggest problems was looting. We romanticise how Brits came together during that time, but the reality was that people were out for themselves. What are we truly preserving? A mere 60 years ago we were forcing homosexuals to undergo hormone therapy, we can't pretend we have a long tradition of tolerance.